A UFO whistleblower has claimed that ‘at least a dozen’ craft have crashed during apparent battles between gray and reptilian aliens, leaving Joe Rogan stunned.
David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who now assists lawmakers with UFO transparency, made the extraordinary claim during a recent appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience.
Grusch testified under oath in 2023 that the US government has secretly operated programs to recover and reverse-engineer non-human spacecraft for decades.
Asked about a possible war between non-human intelligence (NHI) in Earth’s skies, he said: ‘We’ve documented that… what we perceive as warfare. It looks like conflict. It smells like conflict.’
Grusch said he had been briefed on the recovery of dead reptilian and grey alien bodies at crash sites. ‘So the grays and reptilians were duking it out,’ Rogan said.
‘I guess,’ Grusch replied, raising his arms. A wide-eyed Rogan responded: ‘Whoa. It sounds f****** crazy, David.’
Grusch repeatedly explained that he has never seen the UFO crashes or alien bodies and was only conveying that his information came from files on top-secret programs, videos and confessions from government and military insiders.
However, the US military and the White House have maintained for decades that no physical evidence has been found that proves UFOs and alien life exist.
A UFO whistleblower has claimed that ‘at least a dozen’ craft have crashed during apparent battles between grey and reptilian aliens (above, artist impression), leaving Joe Rogan stunned
Grusch told Rogan he knew of ‘at least a dozen or two’ crashes linked to apparent conflicts between non-human beings.
Rogan then asked what type of craft had reportedly been found alongside a dead reptilian body. Grusch said it was a Tic Tac.
That description recalls the 2004 encounter off Southern California in which Commander David Fravor said he and his team saw a smooth, white object shaped like a Tic Tac breath mint.
Measuring roughly 40 to 45 feet long, it reportedly had no visible wings, tail, control surfaces or exhaust.
The discussion then turned to the alleged appearance of the reptilian beings, with Grusch relaying a description he attributed to a friend.
‘Seven-foot-plus, sort of gorilla-looking skin,’ he said. ‘But there are multiple types. There’s ones that are more humanoid-looking.’
Grusch also discussed reports of grays of different sizes, including taller beings and ‘little tiny ones.’
When Rogan suggested the smaller figures might be androids, Grusch said that hypothesis had also been discussed within the program.
The reptilian theory, claiming shape-shifting reptilian aliens secretly control Earth, surged in popularity through conspiracy theorist David Icke in the late 20th century (Stock Image)
Grusch emphasized that he had never seen the alleged reptilian beings in person, saying he was relying on other people’s experiences and audiovisual material.
Asked how he had viewed the footage, he declined to explain the arrangements, describing them as ‘kind of sketchy’ and saying they were intended to ‘keep everybody safe.’
He also said he was withholding details to protect people who had supplied information, claiming some had been physically threatened.
Grays and reptilians have been claimed to be two of the four alien types that were discussed in a 2025 hearing on Capitol Hill.
In a briefing, physicist Dr Eric Davis, known for his work on top-secret Pentagon projects, stunned listeners by referencing alleged alien species, ‘Grays, Nordics, Insectoids, and Reptilians,’ as potential operators of unidentified craft.
Former Air Force Major David Grusch, a UFO whistleblower, was interviewed by podcast host Joe Rogan on September 30
An alleged alien race known as the Nordics is said to have human-like features (Stock Image)
Davis described these entities as humanoid, approximately human-sized, and possibly linked to classified reverse-engineering programs.
Missouri Representative Eric Burlison, a member of the House Oversight Committee and UAP caucus, prompted the discussion, revealing on The Endless Void with Kristin Fisher that he had heard these same four classifications in private briefings.
‘I’ve heard those four classifications discussed in meetings in this office by others,’ Burlison said.
‘But what I wasn’t expecting was for him to say it. I wasn’t expecting Eric Davis, you know, a respected scientist, to say that.’
Burlison, a self-described skeptic, admitted uncertainty about Davis’s sources, noting the physicist’s comments may stem from firsthand knowledge or secondhand reports.
‘If true, this would be a paradigm-shifting moment,’ Burlison said. ‘But if it is true, the government has no right to keep such a secret from the public it serves.’
